Apache 360 LT Tracks Bearing Gone

[ArcticHD8XTCab]

I have a defender which I got tracks for in July 2020. Put about 2000km on them last winter. Just had my tracks put on and a friend noticed a wiggle in the right rear track. Local mechanic at BRP here took a look and seems to be the main bearings on the track. See attached photo I borrowed from a commander forum. Waiting on bearings to come in. Wondering if anyone else had this issue with these, and if so did you upgrade to a heavier duty bearing and do you have a part number for the upgrade. I figure SKF may have something, but due to my location cannot just run out to a auto parts store. 

 

[Steelslinger]

No insight into the bearing issue, but love that picture.

 

[ArcticHD8XTCab]

Update on this. 

Ordered the Can-am bearing kit for these. $130 out the door. I got the part numbers off the two bearings in the kit. 6011-2RS and 6010-2RS. They are cheap off brand in the Can-am kit. However these are the same part numbers for SKF and some other bearing brands. Amazon has them for $34 each when I checked. I am getting them for a bearing shop. 

I will update when I get them on fit and any life span. Planning to swap the other 3 tracks bearings in the summer. 

 

[ArcticHD8XTCab]

Well the plan was to swap the bearings in the right rear track today, but it had others plans. About 200ft from my buddys who’s shed I was going to use to do the swap, the bearing failed! I always have a spare tire in so put it to use to nurse it over. 

In the process it F**ked the Cog. I think the main shaft is fine, but I ordered both today anyway to be safe hopefully will be here this week.

These are a fair bit different from the Camso tracks. As you can see in the housing after I cleaned it there is a lip in the centre instead of a spacer. 

The bearings are two different sizes. Inner is 6011-2RS and outer is 6010-2RS. You will need an extractor to remove the bearings and racers, and I think will need a fwd style bearing press to put them back in. Could probably use a large socket, but better to use a press I think. 

Unlike the Camso the cover for the front of the housing does not pop off with a screwdriver. It’s got 3 torq bolts on the backside. There is also a o-ring around the round part of the cover. 

I also included a photo of the SKF bearings vs the Can-am bearings.

They seem much more substantial so I hope they hold up better.

About $30 a bearing, but will need to reuse the snap ring, spacer and back piece. 

Tune in next week lol 

 

[Trapper]

How many miles/km did you have on your tracks when this happened I probably have about 3000 km on mine and don't want to have issues in the middle of nowhere. I was planning on checking them for play this weekend at my remote camp where the bike is just to be sure. Glad you were able to get a better bearing.

 

[ArcticHD8XTCab]

I have about 2500-3000km on the tracks I would estimate. Many say I drive to slow and baby my machine haha so I wouldn't call them hard kms, but I do store the machine outdoors as I do not have a shop. I am not sure if the cold played a factor, as things just tend to break in -40. First noticed an issue back in the fall after I just had them put on, and my friend noticed a slight wiggle in the track when riding behind me. After that I didn't put many miles on it as I didn't trust it. Hopefully the cog shows up before the weekend, and I will post putting it all back together. I plan on swapping the bearings in the other 3 tracks this summer when I pull them off. 

 

[ArcticHD8XTCab]

Finally got the cog in on Friday, so I figured I would post pictures of it finished up. 

First I needed to get the inner racers of the bearing off the main track axel. I used a puller to do this. 

I cleaned that up and then put the bearings into the aluminum track housing. 

Again I have upgraded to SKF bearings, and plan on doing the other tracks when I pull them off for the summer, unless I hear/feel vibration from them before hand. 

I used a bearing press to put them in. I talked to a few people and they said a large socket over the bearing. 

After watching the videos on Camso bearing replacement from UTVTRacks.com I followed the advice and put gear oil in the valley between the bearings. After seeing the camso design and 3 bearing system and ease of maintenance I think on my next machine I will get them instead. 

Then I put the main hub outside on my porch for about an hour in -20 to make it a bit easier to put in. Took a fair bit of force to get it into the bearings. I did take a bearing press sleeve to hold the outer bearing in the casing as I persuaded it thru. I didn't get a photo but their is a washer and snap ring that go it. BRP says the rounded edge of the snap ring faces inward. 

There is a seal for the back of the casing. To get it flush with the casing I used a 45 angled trim removal tool with a flat head to tap it flush. 

Then the cog mounted onto the main axel plate. These are torqued down to 18lbft + 2lbft

There is then 3 tore screws on the rear to put the cover plate on with "Apache 360"on. This I have a bit of a beef with Can-am to even check the bearings you would need to pull the entire track off the machine just to be able to unscrew these. This is not good for preventative checks in my opinion. In the Camso as you can see in the video you can easily check without needed to get behind it. 

Then we put the assembly back into the the track. As I had a failure I never had to adjust tension to remove the assembly. If I was doing this prior to a failure I would just remove tension and replace the bearings without removing the aluminum housing. We put it back in and torqued the 8 bolts on the housing to spec 35lbft + 3lbft 

Overall not a terrible job to do just frustrating, and almost nothing on the interweb about doing these 360LTs so I figured I would share. If doing this without a failure I assume you will need a bearing puller to remove the old bearings. 

 

[Tug Hill]

Well done! and a nice write up. Please give and update on hoe the gear oil addition works out. 

 

[Trapper]

Great stuff I tried to check mine by jacking the unit off the ground and moving the tracks up and down and left to right. I didn't find any play but if one has to take it apart to really be sure I will do it in the spring. So far so good. Good write up for anyone with these tracks. Thank you.

 

[Trapper]

I have to change my bearings on inspection. Any Idea what the seal number is? I see you have the bearing numbers and was hoping to get the seals to prior to disassembly. I cant read them with the hub in place. Thanks again for the great write up! 

 

[ArcticHD8XTCab]

If you a referring to this seal on the far right of the photo. I don't know the number. Can-am had it in the bearing kit. When I had a complete failure I had to replace it, however the other track I replaced the bearings I reused that back seal and the oring that was under the "Apache 360" cover. 

Hope this helps. 

 

[Trapper]

Thanks my friend was just looking for the seal number. I will disassemble and note it!

 

[Stubb]

I want to replace the bearings just as you did  on my 2021 defender hd10 I think the tracks are a 2019 or 2020 do you think these bearings will work. also do you have a # for the seal thanks Stubb

 

[ArcticHD8XTCab]

I want to replace the bearings just as you did  on my 2021 defender hd10 I think the tracks are a 2019 or 2020 do you think these bearings will work. also do you have a # for the seal thanks Stubb

I dont think the Apache 360LTs have changed since from the ones I have seen around here. So I belive it would be the same bearings. As far as the seal number on the tracks that did not fail I reused the seal. On the one that did fail, I had to buy the kit from Can-am. Not sure if there is a part number for the seal itself. 

 

[Trapper]

There was no seal number on the seal. The seal did possess the measurements of it upon it I brought it into my local bearing supply and they provided new seals and quality bearings (same number as Arctic HD8 stated). I replaced without issue. I was glad I did as one side was due to fail.

 

[Trapper]

The numbers on the seal are 60, 90, and 8. These are the seal dimensions. Hope this helps. 

 

[Plainsman]

Great writeup.  My 2019 tracks have been serving me well.  

I jacked it up and felt no play in the rear, conducting a typical top and bottom of the wheel/track test.  When I checked the front I felt some play on both rocking them top to bottom.  The play felt the same in both.  

Do you have any detectable play in the front? I maybe have 300 miles on them, just for ice fishing .

 

[ArcticHD8XTCab]

Great writeup.  My 2019 tracks have been serving me well.  

I jacked it up and felt no play in the rear, conducting a typical top and bottom of the wheel/track test.  When I checked the front I felt some play on both rocking them top to bottom.  The play felt the same in both.  

Do you have any detectable play in the front? I maybe have 300 miles on them, just for ice fishing .

I have since done the other track bearings and did find the front right track had some play the left side not so much. The wear on them was not even by any means. That said I find the only way to really tell is have someone ride infront of you and if you see the track jitter left to right at all, that's a sure sign the track main bearings need to be replaced. 

 

[Plainsman]

Did you have skf part #s for front?

Super informative thread btw.